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Updated: 3/10/2011 6:12 pm
WICHITA, Kansas -- Members of Kansas' gay community aren't happy as lawmakers in Topeka have decided to leave on the books laws banning homosexuality. The laws banning gay sex have been ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court, but the law remains in place in Kansas.
And an effort to repeal it was killed this week in Topeka, leaving gay and lesbian Kansans outraged.


“Good people make bad decisions, and I believe this was a very bad decision,” said Jackie Carter with Metropolitan Community Church.

Carter is a leader of the gay and lesbian community in Wichita and the pastor of the Metropolitan Community Church. She says she's saddened by a move this week in Topeka to leave a law on the books in Kansas that bans gay sex. She says it leaves thousands of gay Kansans under the impression they are unwelcome in the Sunflower State.

“I read that message quite clearly: you really don't matter so if you move to another state we really won't care,” she said.

The House Judiciary Committee was considering a bill to clean up Kansas' criminal code when a pair of lawmakers, Jan Pauls from Hutchinson and Lance Kinzer from Olathe, removed an amendment from the bill that would have repealed the law banning homosexual acts.

Laws banning homosexual acts have been declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. But Lanzer says it doesn't need to be repealed because it isn't being enforced, saying “It’s a tempest in a teapot. I don't think it would make any difference. The statute is unenforceable."

“I think their motivation is pretty clear,” said Thomas Witt, chair of Kansas Equality Commission. “They don't like gay people and they're going to make sure in the eyes of the law we're still considered criminals.”

Efforts to reach Representative Pauls were unsuccessful today. KSN was told she was in committee all day long and unable to return a phone call. A rally in her district of Hutchinson is planned for next week to protest leaving the law on the books
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Hota - 10/4/2011 9:06 AM
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@redvelvet You say "It clearly states in the Bible--which is the book we are to live by that man is not to lie with man and woman is not to lie with woman. It's God's law." PLease to provide Book, Chapter and verse to back up what you are claiming.

andromeda - 6/11/2011 11:38 PM
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@redvelvet You say "It clearly states in the Bible--which is the book we are to live by that man is not to lie with man and woman is not to lie with woman. It's God's law." Didn't Jesus say to take the beam from your own eye first. I don't know whether you do this, but very many Christians pick and choose which bible verses to obey. Any idea how many Christians get divorced? You may have heard that divorce rates in the South, the bible belt, are higher than elsewhere in the USA. Jesus never mentioned gay sex, but he sure was clear about divorce. Isn't that God's law redvelvet? And how many of the so-called mega-church pastors are multi-millionaires? with their huge mansions, fancy cars, boats, vacations, etc. So what do they say about Jesus' command to his followers to sell their possessions and give it to the poor? Aren't mega-church pastors, his followers? It seems that quite a few of them must have been dipping their greedy hands into the collection plate after the doors are closed. How very Christ-like, hmmm? And let's not forget the liars! You may not be able to see this, but many of the anti-gay crusaders lie through their teeth on ads aimed at stopping same-sex marriage, etc. If you want to find out, go to sites like G-A-Y, and Equality Matters, and see what I mean, compare the two sides words and decide for yourself who's lying. So, as far as I'm concerned, these finger-pointing hypocrites can just shove their cherry-picked bible verses where the moon doesn't shine!

HumblePie - 3/18/2011 2:18 PM
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Another myth that needs debunking: "Our country was once founded on the principles of the Bible." http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2009/04/14/christian_nation

liberalwoman - 3/17/2011 9:31 AM
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I think that what you both believe, berry and redvelvet, is perfectly fine. I just don't think your beliefs should be forced on everyone else. The Bible is not the source of law in the US. It sounds like you really don't understand our constitution. I don't care what the Bible, the Koran, or the Dianetics books say. They are "religion" and this country has a secular government. It always has. I personally think that people who discriminate against gays shouldn't be allowed to procreate because it spreads to their children and we have Matthew Shepherd events. But I'm not lobbying to spay and neuter anti-gays. There really is no difference between what you believe and what I believe. Neither of us should force it on the other. Just don't pay attention to gays, and they won't bother you. Please stop obsessing about them. Most gay people I know don't think about "gay" as much as anti-gay right wingers.

berry00 - 3/16/2011 10:50 AM
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I agree with redvelvet and appreciate you standing up for what is right and what we have lost in our society. One day will come where we are all judged and we will have to be accounted for what we have done. Our country was once founded on the principles of the Bible. Now we have lost that – so many forget that God can wipe out a nation – he did it in Biblical times and can do it again. When he did it the first time it was because they had got so corrupted (it states that in the Bible). Men were sleeping with men – women sleeping with women – the nation was so perverse that he caused a flood and let the one and only man that was true to him live along with that man’s family. So think how you may – believe what you want but my God is big enough to move mountains – if/when this nation gets as bad as it was before – God will still be in control and will only save his people. I pray for all those that don’t believe this. Read your Bible and you will see how true this is.

redvelvet - 3/16/2011 7:07 AM
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All I'm saying--simple and to the point--I believe Kansas got the law right--and you can say God created Adam and Steve all you want, you can also state that I'm like Fred of Westboro--but that just goes to prove what kind of people you are-name calling because you are angry at my comments and don't know any other way to handle a conversation besides to do so. I'm stating that I believe according to the Bible that being gay is not acceptable. There are more and more people in this day and age willing to accept gays, but no one can answer how they think two man parts go together and two woman parts go together--does that seem natural? NO--it doesn't. So--you all can carry on your conversations and call people names-but once again--way to go Kansas!! By the way--God loves everyone--he doesn't hate gays nor do I think people should protest funerals of our military. I don't hate gays either--but, I don't agree with their way of life and if I could encourage some to read the Bible, and they could be saved, that's a great thing. It disheartens me to see people talk about not believing in God or the Bible--citing all these other religions. I guess in the end--we will all find out the truth of what is really acceptable and not acceptable. My point has been made--like it or not, so I'm removing myself from this conversation here on out. Carry on--and hopefully you can refrain from the namecalling, but if not--whatever makes you happy.

liberalwoman - 3/15/2011 7:32 PM
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Stonewaller, I can tell you're smart enough to know that what Hindus believe is so not the point at all. (And you're so wrong about Buddhists but that isn't the point either.) But nice try at changing the subject. I should have said, Hindu, Pagan, Muslim, Buddhist, or whatever. My point is about separation of church and state. And you are right about gays and lesbians making prejudicial statements about bisexuals. As someone with a same sex partner, I have noticed it, do not like it, and people who know me know that. It seems almost everyone wants to discriminate against someone else. Look at the percentages of racial minorities who vote against gay rights. Also privacy is not even mentioned in the constitution. It's been implied in decisions like Roe v. Wade, but that distinction between an act and invading privacy is a sieve. Finally, antimiscegantion, should be anti-misogynistic...just sayin'

liberalwoman - 3/15/2011 7:31 PM
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Stonewaller, I can tell you're smart enough to know that what Hindus believe is so not the point at all. (And you're so wrong about Buddhists but that isn't the point either.) But nice try at changing the subject. I should have said, Hindu, Pagan, Muslim, Buddhist, or whatever. My point is about separation of church and state. And you are right about gays and lesbians making prejudicial statements about bisexuals. As someone with a same sex partner, I have noticed it, do not like it, and people who know me know that. It seems almost everyone wants to discriminate against someone else. Look at the percentages of racial minorities who vote against gay rights. Also privacy is not even mentioned in the constitution. It's been implied in decisions like Roe v. Wade, but that distinction between an act and invading privacy is a sieve. Finally, antimiscegantion, should be anti-misogynistic...just sayin'

Stonewaller - 3/15/2011 4:55 PM
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RIVERRAT: Actually, God did create Adam and Steve a/w/a as every other heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual and asexual a/w/a transgender and intersex person who has ever lived on the face of the earth. You may want to go back and re-read Genesis. You may also want to read the US Constitution for what will probably be your first time -- it provides for the separation of church and state which fotunately for you means the government cannot pass laws to separate God's love from your hate.

Stonewaller - 3/15/2011 4:49 PM
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PURPLEPOISON While Lesbians and Gays upon "coming out" feel hurt when Straights respond: "you are not really homosexual, you are just a repressed homosexual or going through a phase," upon Bisexuals "coming out", Lesbians and Gays do not hesitate to respond: "you are not really Bisexual, you are just a repressed homosexual or going through a phase." KANSAMAN: The retention on the books of the subject Kansas law does not make it enforceable. It would only be so were the Supreme Court to reverse its decision in Lawrence v. Texas which is highly unlikely. Much as the retention of antimiscegantion laws by Southern states is not enforceable and would not be so unless the Supreme Court reversed its decision in Loving v. Virginia. Some say interracial marriage is also against God's law. Fortunately, the United States Constitution provides for separation of church and state. But you wouldn't know that, you're too busy attempting to impose your religion on others through secular law which, unlike homosexuality, is a violation of the constitution.
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